Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari Episode 7 Discussion

EmperorAlfred said:
A fun and relaxing episode, the infamous hot springs episode of almost every anime series. But things are about to get real soon.

2ego said:


Every situation in this anime is forced, foreshadowing something doesn't make the story connected, nothing in this story besides the rape accusation has any real meaning-- impact on the story.

2ego said:


Actually, there's nothing immature about calling out people's behavior, whiny bitch. Also no, I didn't, your first and EVERY reply was meaningless since it was unrelated to the subject; the anime, no arguments at all. I supposedly escalated this this far, yet were you the one that said "Don't reply"? I'm certain I was the one that said that...so, objectively it's you whom escalated this this far. Also, how are you the immature one?-- according to me: because you're unable to take my criticism, and completely ignore it, as if I'm automatically invalid & wrong, without any consideration why I hate the series.

veridiancity said:


You've got to be trolling, no human being can possibly be as stupid as this. Your original "opinion" could easily be tl;dr to "this show sucks, bye". How is that constructive to this discussion thread?

You used hyperboles like "garbage show will NEVER get better", called the fanboys (read. anyone who doesnt agree with you) BRAINDEAD then finished with a "[b]kthnxbye[/]". You've obviously already made up your mind about the show and isn't interested in engaging in any form of actual constructive criticism.

Then someone called you on your bullshit and you started attacking his way of watching anime, all the while posturing as an mature adult individual.. its honestly baffling why you're even still here..

Just get lost kiddo and leave the actual discussion to people who are actually capable of engaging in it.

2ego said:


That doesn't change the fact that he didn't reply with any valid arguments, didn't provide any reason WHY the show is "good," whether I gave any arguments in my first post doesn't make a difference, really. Also yes, the show won't reach a higher level than it is, it's decent for what it's supposed to be-- terrible moe isekai-- but it can't compete against any shows of that ranking, since the current ranking is pure absurdity.

2ego said:


That doesn't change the fact that he didn't reply with any valid arguments, didn't provide any reason WHY the show is "good," whether I gave any arguments in my first post doesn't make a difference, really. Also yes, the show won't reach a higher level than it is, it's decent for what it's supposed to be-- terrible moe isekai-- but it can't compete against any shows of that ranking, since the current ranking is pure absurdity.

Dhyan_manu said:

Either wait for good stuff which is upcoming from episode 8 or go read the manga to know why people love this. I can bet this show is gonna get better I am confident in that matter because I already read the story in all sources LN, WN and manga.
If you don't have patience to wait then no one is stopping you from dropping this show. Remember this is a 25 episode season so there will be chill and slice of life episodes in between dark stuff which happens constitute to the majority of this season.
If you want the reason with spoiler why this good I have to make a list which contains major spoilers which I want to avoid in these posts

2ego said:


Actually, I did give valid criticism, later on, but since of course you didn't read ALL my posts in this thread, you didn't see it... here it is:

"The show doesn't know what it is: from a rape accusation it switches to love affairs & family friendly messing around-- THIS is a short anime, it doesn't have limitless episodes yet it wastes time with trivial irrelevant things. Why did that chicken-running-thingy turn into a naked loli? What is this? Looks like a generic ecchi garbage. In the previous episode, the fight scene, after beating that one monster the other one randomly disappeared, as if it didn't exist...this is just to name a few retarded things about this anime-- flaws."

Hopefully that's "constructive criticism" for you.

veridiancity said:


Good, you're learning. Start with something like this next time.

"Actually, I did give valid criticism, later on.."
I've read through. I specifically wanted to address your first post to let you know why you are getting shitted on.

"from a rape accusation it switches to love affairs & family friendly messing around.."
I'm not sure what you're getting at here, the rape accusation was just a plot device to rob Naofumi of his hero standing and forces him to resort to dubious means to survive, its a what-if framework for this story hero. (e.g SAO had a OP protag, konosuba had a average stat protag, re:zero had a time travelling protag)
Romance and Slice of life episodes are par for course, surely you didn't expect 25 episodes of non-stop action or brooding angst? This would be a valid argument if we were at episode 20 and the last 15 were all slice of life.

trivial irrelevant things..
You say trivial, I say character building/bonding. Let's agree to disagree.

chicken-running-thingy turn into a naked loli
Why not? It's set in a fantasy isekai with its own lore and design. What're you even asking here? By what physics are you using to judge the show? Surely not the real world? That's akin to asking why Goku hair turns yellow when he goes SSJ.

randomly disappeared..
Please elaborate on which fight scene.

2ego said:


6th episode, the snake disappeared magically.

I disbelieve that it's fine to justify it with "Why not," seems more like an excuse, and it's clear that it's a generic ecchi plot-- that part wise, so why would you even attempt to defend it? This show isn't good, it's just using deceitful methods to look good...

2ego said:


6th episode, the snake disappeared magically.

I disbelieve that it's fine to justify it with "Why not," seems more like an excuse, and it's clear that it's a generic ecchi plot-- that part wise, so why would you even attempt to defend it? This show isn't good, it's just using deceitful methods to look good...

2ego said:


Are you like looking for attention? Told you not to reply to me, I ignored your previous post, yet you come here again quoting my post...

"Just because there was a scene that had a naked loli in it" hahahahha "JUST BECAUSE" that's funny man, that's real funny... Highschool DxD is a hecking Ecchi show, what the fuck do you expect?! Of course it's basis is revolving around ecchi plots...

@veridiancity That's called unnecessary fanservice, if it was any way a serious show made to be good-- it wouldn't use such petty methods go gain popularity. I'm pretty sure the snake was disconnected from the Lion at the time, not sure I might be mistaken. If it revolved solely on ecchi, of course it wouldn't get the popularity its getting, so no, it's not 100% revolving around "generic ecchi plot." "I'm can't justify that. It is the writer's story and their prerogative how it is written as much as it is your prerogative to dislike this character (Filo)." You can use this for EVERY anime, it makes it seem as if you're not allowed to criticise the show, that's not how it works, you're supposed to justify that scene, since we're debating it.

veridiancity said:


The snake is connected to the lion.

What do you consider a good show/manga? Berserk? They have loli and "ecchi" scenes too because by your standard ecchi would means anyone naked in a single panel/scene even if its said scene was coherent to the plot, yes?

I cannot justify why the bird turns into a loli based on my current understanding of the plot. I've not read the LN and only briefly went through the manga. Maybe they would explain why the bird is a loli later on? It would be disingenuous of me to even attempt justifying it.

Again, what're you asking regarding the loli? Were the story already completed and we found out the loli was contrived JUST to pander to lewd scenes then yes, this would be a discussion. Without knowing the author's final intention for this character, how are we suppose to debate the author's decision to make her a loli?

2ego said:


There's the necessary nudity, and the unnecessary one: in this case it's done purely for FANSERVICE, and getting horny boys hooked on the show, let's get real here, what other reason would they do that? A good show would be HxH, Monster, Great Teacher Onizuka, Hajime no Ippo, Hachimitsu to Clover, & many more.

veridiancity said:


Hunter x Hunter - Loli biscuit, created just so lolicons have a excuse to jerk off to. S-She's totally legal! she's over 50 years old!

GTO - That's the epitome of fanservice, please.

Monster - Never watched

HnI - "Holy ripped dudes, that's got to be fanservice to lure in the female watchers"

Clover - Never watched

Yeah, I could make the same "arguments" about these.

2ego said:


There's no show without flaws, but different shows have a different degree of flaws. I don't think that Biscuit is really meant for fanservice, I don't think that any female would want a giant muscly body, plus there's NO fanservice at all, even her voice in that form sounds mature. I can't find Hajime no Ippo in your list, so you assumed that, that's a really big error Mister, it's really not at all about fanservice lol. And GTO, there's barely any, and again it's put whenever it's necessary-- though, it's not a VERY good show, it's very overrated too, I rated it 8.

EDIT: Judging the entire series from one video, huh? That's a little disappointing hahaha.

veridiancity said:


Judging the entire series from one scene, huh? That's a little disappointing "hahaha".

Please stop with the hypocrisy.

2ego said:


Excuse me, but Hajime no Ippo including all seasons has over 100 episodes, it's fully aired, plus you didn't even see ANYTHING else in it. Now, in this one I've seen EVERY episode that's up to date, thus there was no hypocrisy-- just you getting a little desperate.

veridiancity said:


Nah, I've stated clearly those that I've never watched. I merely cherry picked scenes to make a point, just like what you did. But hey, at least now I get that you're not very smart or good at contextual reading.

I'm sure the amount of viewers turned away from this anime due to your stupidity is more than what the loli scene brought in, so uhmmm, good job?

You succeeded! You won!! Your opinion finally matters! You has a win!

I'm proud of ya.

2ego said:


There's no show without flaws, but different shows have a different degree of flaws. I don't think that Biscuit is really meant for fanservice, I don't think that any female would want a giant muscly body, plus there's NO fanservice at all, even her voice in that form sounds mature. I can't find Hajime no Ippo in your list, so you assumed that, that's a really big error Mister, it's really not at all about fanservice lol. And GTO, there's barely any, and again it's put whenever it's necessary-- though, it's not a VERY good show, it's very overrated too, I rated it 8.

EDIT: Judging the entire series from one video, huh? That's a little disappointing hahaha.

Cleckeroo said:

Are you seriously comparing classics and shounen animes like HxH and HnI to this? Well sure for the degree of flaws they have .
And the way you said this in your original post from this discussion "This show will never be good" that sentence will trigger all the readers of LN and Manga of this series because they know what's coming next.

A little fanservice won't hurt the show but diversing it's theme will, as of now there is no diversion from the theme of this series which is "rise from the rock bottom of your life".

As for the Bird to Loli scene it's understandable that she's naked because she's a Philolial which turned into a girl for the 1st time.
As for the slave crest scene I have no complaints because slave crests are meant to be in the chest area to be closer to the heart and Raphtalia already loves Naofumi that time so she's making her move.
As for the hot spring, sure that was fanservice but also showing that Raphtalia is still innocent and genuinely love Naofumi.

I can criticize this series because I have problems with it also but I've seen many scenes that excites me alot and I don't really judge a show by having a bad scene like this one because that's really stupid, because like I said 1 or 2 bad scene doesn't hurt the anime's theme at all.

PS: This is not a fake account. I'm just new to MAL and I'm to busy to rate an anime and give reviews but I like reading at the forums of the series' that I love.

2ego said:


Hahaha for me personally I liked HxH more than Hajime no Ippo, that's just preference I guess... Also, there's really no need for them to show that Raphtalia is innocent, like what's the purpose? Slave crest could have been put at her back instead, barely any difference... As for the bird to loli-- yeah who cares, look at it from the writer's perspective-- OH. MY. GOD. A. NAKED. LOLI. FANS. GO. CRAZY!!!1 ANYONE could tell apart the REAL purpose of that scene.

veridiancity said:


YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, DICK MEASURING ON A JAPANESE ANIMATION BOARD IS IMPORTANT TO ME, I'M ABSOLUTELY SEEETHINGGGGGGREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

To stay on discussion, I do have a valid criticism of this show and that's most of the supporting cast are caricature of some sort. Mainly the other 3 heroes seem to be devoid of common sense and are only there to make the shieldbro look good. I do hope they get development as the story progresses..

Cleckeroo said:


I have an argument for that matter, we have the same argument when I first read the series and then I realize it makes sense because they think this is a game that they play in their respective worlds.

Remember in the 1st episode they describe this world as a game from their respectives worlds except for Naofumi who reads a book then transported to Melromarc.

veridiancity said:


Mm, I remember that. But you still get the sense that were the rape accusation happened to another hero, Naofumi would have stepped in and analyzed the situation instead. Its like he's the only one capable of rational thinking, the worst offender being spear hero of course.

Cleckeroo said:


Sorry there is a reason to show that Raphtalia is innocent, this proves that Raphtalia has to grow up through out of the series. (She's a ten year old in a 20 year old body)
The slave crest is imprinted in the chest because it makes more sense if it's in the chest than the back.
I don't lewd for lolis but that scene makes me laugh and I consider that scene as a comic relief because of how Naofumi reacts to it.

Besides the 2nd half is adapted from the SPECIAL chapter of Volume 2 from the LN.

Cleckeroo said:


No without that false rape scene Naofumi is just a naive man that has a carefree attitude, and most likely he will hate the one who is accused also, because they know each other like 2 days.

2ego said:


Oh? But her character WAS supposed to develop thorough the series, especially when she magically became a big-big girl, her character DID change, so, are you saying she didn't develop at all? hahaha

"The slave crest is imprinted in the chest because it makes more sense if it's in the chest than the back." That doesn't make any sense, not at all, how does it make more sense? Explain.

Cleckeroo said:


You don't really get it, that was her personality before her parents were killed by monsters in wave one and that's mixed with here feelings for Naofumi. Don't assume that Raphtalia is a weak minded girl when she was a kid, in fact her mind is really strong and she has a strong personality as a child.

I have a question for you. When a person asks you to point where your heart is, where do you point? Of course you point on your chest. And also the heart is closer to the chest which is makes sense.

Cleckeroo said:


You don't really get it, that was her personality before her parents were killed by monsters in wave one and that's mixed with here feelings for Naofumi. Don't assume that Raphtalia is a weak minded girl when she was a kid, in fact her mind is really strong and she has a strong personality as a child.

I have a question for you. When a person asks you to point where your heart is, where do you point? Of course you point on your chest. And also the heart is closer to the chest which is makes sense.

2ego said:
I don't think that anyone would ask something so biologically obvious. The point is: why heart exactly? Isn't it all a setup in order for the fanservice to kick in?

Killuan said:


Yeah the special chapter in the manga that showed Raphtalias backstory...showed how strong she was. She had an almost unbreakable will. Eventually it did break, but that was after she lost that tiny thimble of hope. Once she had nothing left, she crumbled. She found newfound hope in Naofumi, so she was able to recover from it.



Doesn't it make sense for it to be replaced in the same spot that she had it as a child? Even Filo has it there. There is no evidence to suggest that it can be placed elsewhere. Did it provide some fanservice? Yeah, but relatively speaking--it was hardly any.

2ego said:


I don't think that anyone would ask something so biologically obvious. The point is: why heart exactly? Isn't it all a setup in order for the fanservice to kick in?

Cleckeroo said:

So why do ask me to explain it why is it any makes sense then?
You know that Naofumi's blood needs to activate the crest and that blood serve as a string that connects the slave and the slave crest and when the slave is interrogated by the master the crest will detect the slave's conscience to identify if that slave is lying or not. That's the real purpose of the slave crest, for loyalty for it's master.

Why are you keep saying "this is all an excuse for fanservice" and such similar things like that?
You're cherry picking the bad scenes and judge it like the whole show is all about that.

btw there is a scene in Ln where the slave crest is used for lie detecting. I think it will be adapted.

2ego said:


Yes, that explains it, I just tend to forget shows that give me zero influence, and are not memorable. Also, so far the first episode was the sole one I enjoyed, the others were all overly corny, dramatic, & just straight up silly.

Cleckeroo said:


That explains it, this show is not your cup of tea and you're assuming that this show is dark.
Sorry to disappoint you but it's not THAT dark.
I don't think is overly dramatic especially when you put your shoes in Naofumi, remember Naofumi is not your ideal strong minded guy from the beginning.
That scene heals him (not completely) from his depression knowing that there is one person who believes him and doesn't give a fuck when the world is against him. He needs to hear those words from anyone.

I agree with some scenes are corny but there also scenes that puts a smile on my face.

I'm not stopping you from dropping this series btw. I'm just clearing up your misunderstanding of the show and say my opinion.

2ego said:


People kept saying how dark it is and will get, so I had my expectations set on that. Also no, I don't think that his reactions to everyone being like that are corny, his reactions are justified fine, the corny part is that EVERYONE is acting nonsensically, as if they're Devils or something, that's not how world works, nobody would act like that-- it's absurd, characters feel empty, as if personalities are not implemented. I would go with the term "edgy," but apparently people overuse it, thus I will say that simply the drama in this is really forced, making it silly.

Cleckeroo said:


you know why? because of religion. This is a another world if you assume that NOBODY will ever do that you're dead wrong especially by if you're a hero that represents demi humans in a racist country like that. Dont assume that people in our world and their world think alike. I compare the people from early days where racism is legal. I know it's really absurd but that makes it interesting to watch and read.

Do you even pay attention to the previous episodes where there are restaurants and inns that dont serve to demi humans?
By the next episode people ( in the anime) have grown to like Raphtalia because of her appearance, she may be a demi human but a harmless looking one.

2ego said:


Okay. Why are they racist toward humans with cat ears? Explain that then, sheer fact doesn't explain the reasoning behind the fact.

Cleckeroo said:


Are you sure that you watched all episodes of Shield Hero this season? In episode 4 Raphtalia herself explains why demi humans are being criticized in this country because of the fact that they grow up when they level up, they're skipping childhood physically, which makes them qualify as slave materials and I don't need to explain why they are slave materials because I believe you already know it. And by that mentality demi humans are branded as slaves even that demi human is not a slave.

As the 2nd reason Read it at your own risk even though this is a light spoiler.

2ego said:


Hmm, I guess that explains a bit more. So far IN the anime the story is very underdeveloped, but from these things you said-- it gets decent, I guess...

Cleckeroo said:


Yep if you read the LN that's the result but in the anime is not underdevelop in my opinion, all of the episodes from 1-7 are just building up, and it makes sense that those episodes looks underdeveloped because those are the pieces for the climax and other pieces will be answered.
You judged the anime waaaay too early my friend hahahah.

2ego said:


I disagree, anime is supposed to get you hooked from the first episode, otherwise the viewers won't stay, unless they're hardcore fans of anime. First episodes are ALWAYS the MOST critical for an anime.